# A reply to d-man's SIP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Commons\ **Created:** [April 5, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/a-reply-to-d-mans-sip/2482 "2022-04-05T17:10:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dseroy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.sovryn.com/dseroy/32/849_2.png) [@dseroy](https://forum.sovryn.com/u/dseroy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/a-reply-to-d-mans-sip/2482/1 "2022-04-05T17:10:20Z")
_The gargantuan thread from d-man appears to have been deleted, but I promised people in the Dojo that I would reply to it. So here’s my post. If the thread comes back, I’ll post it under there directly._ \* _Update the thread is back but I kept this one here so it doesn’t appear anything is being deleted_ – BCW has contributed some _super-gem_ individuals to the community and I appreciate the few of you who have been active in good-faith communication over the past year. I also hope many of you others will become more active in our community, independent of whether d-man posts and tells you to comment or not. This will help us break the lines between being exclusively BCW or Sovryn. Here are a few critiques of the proposal: 1. **UI/UX** : Saying UI/UX needs to be fixed is not a proposal, it’s a demand with no substance that doesn’t assist the team at all. For context: 2. **Staking** : This proposal is lacking adversarial thinking and appears to be modeled to best suit early investors (not founding members) opposed to the long term protocol itself. A few considerations: 3. **Token Burn or Lock-Up** : This is one part of the proposal that I am open to digging into more. Tokenomics have been a recurring issue since inception. But there are some other things to consider: Ultimately, while people claim that this proposal and conversations in the Dojo were meant to help, the reality is it was a complete cluster-f\*\*\* and I’m disappointed by all sides. On the Sovryn side I think there probably is some pride and ego that is coming out when we get attacked and I’m part of that problem. But on the BCW side there are honestly a lot of un-educated takes which are missing tons of information, while bombarding us with bot-like shit-posts that make it extremely difficult to even reply. Stay Sovryn! ---
**Author:** ![yago](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.sovryn.com/yago/32/124_2.png) [@yago](https://forum.sovryn.com/u/yago)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/a-reply-to-d-mans-sip/2482/2 "2022-04-05T17:23:11Z")
I don’t “have his back”. I just don’t think we should sink to his level. ---
**Author:** ![Brs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Brs](https://forum.sovryn.com/u/Brs)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/a-reply-to-d-mans-sip/2482/3 "2022-04-05T17:28:49Z")
Appreciate the time and effort to compile this with perspective. ---
**Author:** ![light](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.sovryn.com/light/32/11_2.png) [@light](https://forum.sovryn.com/u/light)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/a-reply-to-d-mans-sip/2482/4 "2022-04-05T17:31:29Z")
The thread is back, that was my bad. I didn’t realize deleting DMAN’s post (as he requested) would delete the whole thread. > [@SIP-00XX The 3 Critical Price Impacting Changes Requested By The Community](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/sip-0044-the-3-critical-price-impacting-changes-requested-by-the-community/2387/): > > Dear brother, fellow SOV holder, After huge majority in the Blockchain Whispers AMA provided support for it and discussing it with Yago, I decided to write down the 3 critical changes, in combination, powerful enough to reverse the down spiral Sovryn has found itself in. Now bear with me if I make a mistake in the formatting of the SIP proposal, I will outline you the idea and the specifics, and then you can help me correct the format and put it to a vote. Before we begin, I say, there is no … ---
**Author:** ![SOV\_HOOLIGAN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@SOV\_HOOLIGAN](https://forum.sovryn.com/u/SOV_HOOLIGAN)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/a-reply-to-d-mans-sip/2482/5 "2022-04-05T17:35:05Z")
Oh Mr FUCKING NOBODY replied. We need to pay attention now. Ah yes, you are part of the exchequer thing. Yea I remember. Was it the SIP that was rushed from draft to approval and then to voting stage into 3 days? With a lot of comments being against that SIP? Are you that one who always believe that his opinion is above all other especially on telegram? You think because you have some kind of role or whatever that is gives you the right to characterize tons of people who care about the same thing you are part of? What makes you more educated than others? You can have whatever the fuck opinion you want. Is it so hard for you to not characterize people and just write your points in a constructive manner? Maybe now they allow people to be characterized. This is where you missed the whole point. Again. I would expect a lot more from admins and core team in terms of stopping this nonsense accusation, no matter the side. Surely there must be a limit. Right admins? ---
**Author:** ![dseroy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.sovryn.com/dseroy/32/849_2.png) [@dseroy](https://forum.sovryn.com/u/dseroy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/a-reply-to-d-mans-sip/2482/6 "2022-04-05T17:38:28Z")
Dude, my god. If you want me removed from Exchequer, propose a SIP. I’ve been active part of this community far before any recent Exchequer appointment. You can go back to pretty much any Twitter Spaces, Forum posts, Discord chat or community calls and you’ll probably hear me asking questions. I’m not sure anything has changed. Yes, I probably could’ve written the post with a more neutral tone but frankly I was upset and I felt attacked. If you want to reply to anything I posted in the thread, we can try to go from there. **Update** I modified this post to have a more neutral tone in hopes it extends an olive branch. I hope my comments are mostly seen as constructive. ---
**Author:** ![DMAN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f0a364/32.png) [@DMAN](https://forum.sovryn.com/u/DMAN)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 5:37am UTC](https://forum.sovryn.com/t/a-reply-to-d-mans-sip/2482/7 "2022-04-08T05:37:38Z")
When I opened a thread I thought “oh it’s just another hater idiot”. Especially when I found you are using bolding, nice formatting yet you can’t say the name “D Man” correctly. However, what I found in the post by you is EXACTLY what I invited everyone to do. You gave your OWN (valid or not) ARGUMENTS (respected vs just empty words) about each part of this sip. Imagine if we had more of such conversations, we would find the best path to move forward. Because for example… I don’t have to be right. Just with a lot of experience two things hurt me the most… that as every day passes, your token, SOV, is worth less (by pure law of economics as supply increases). Yes, I will hear now from some monkeys that the price doesn’t matter, but well, it matters. This conversation, this whole idea and why it exploded into a community division, unsatisfaction, mess… is fully and 100% Yago’s fault. One hundred percent. His ego. IF he didn’t try to manipulate, but stated things HONESTLY… if he didn’t think of community as a bunch of idiots he can politicise… it would be a conversation, I’d invite it for fuck sake, like a bunch of stuff like the one you just posted… focused on the matter, finding the best solution. And guess what? We would! Because for me, what hurts you the most, staking, is least important of the three in making the change. The most important is… that staking rewards in just sending SOV stop. That further dilution of the token stops. That tokenomics get better (most important) and that the onboarding off boarding for new users becomes simple. The leadership failed. Terribly. And is so cocky to even admit it. Brother, imagine you’re a project leader… and you are getting by choice at a bad side of the community because of your ego. Things why some of most loyal sovryn members decided now to abandon the project (I don’t talk about dumping, I talk about hardcore, loyal support)… Because Yago offered one thing, later acted stupid Yago withdraws when he doesn’t like something Yago tries to manipulate you while promising he is open to discussion This whole process revealed Sovryn is actually not owned by the community nor open for discussion, so this is the last matter where you have such community. I know what creates a good community, because I have one. The same one that is still a MAJORITY support for Sovryn. The key elements: HONESTY (#1 most important element with the community). – heck even when unsure, take it on you. I told when light guy admin here presented me with some screenshots, I said “brother, if I am misinformed by multiple people that don’t know each other that you censored the posts, I APOLOGIZE”… – I didn’t hear fucker Yago apologise for anything. He is so cocky it’s unreal. He tried to bring in so many manipulation attempts, you see it in screenshots he posted. He wanted to post something and I told him I posted it already, then he accused me of posting it and fucker knows that when I posted it nobody saw it it was like 30 seconds before and it bothered him he could have told me, and then what he does, and what reveals TRUE character… he posts everything except the last screenshot that is not really in his favor… then I had to post it, and then he goes quiet. I was the biggest friend Sovryn had. Biggest friend in the project Yago had. But over the year+, I noticed who yago is… a sweet talker. So now tell me, how intelligent it is of you, that you got hostile, retarded, unpolite (yup, the fucker got super unpolite FIRST towards me, I am the one pushing it now because I like to call up on bullshit)… towards the guy who is by FACT, everyone will agree even the haters: contributed a lot to this project, and holds great influence over the MAJOR part of the community… and he pisses on all of you because he lets his ego go first, he didn’t try to solve things. Look, I won’t let him, ever again, solve things by bullshits. Some guys can be low intelligence and suck into his stories. I will not allow him anymore to EVER… say okay when he plans on doing it still his own way. **Yago’s book of dirty tricks, just so you know for the future:** Let’s say you propose something that is not in Yago’s interest, like: burn 50% of the team tokens. Step 1) argument - and this is the only good step step 2) when argument lost - try to escape, switch, ignore step 3) when cornered - propose a solution in “what if” format “what if we do this”, without committing step 4) when cornered to commit, DELAY step 5) when cornered, IGNORE step 6) when cornered for ignoring, twist solutions like even if it is 100:1 in favor of this thing, “we have to do a dao” or a “special task force”… further delaying. Facts: sip was ready to be put to a vote, he decided to decide on the matter if and when it goes to a vote, not the sip proposer who got enough people to support it. Fuck, I won’t give you the entire playbook, if you are stupid, or ego prevents you from doing the right thing because of the way I talk and you fail to realize I am the only NEUTRAL… almost neutral because I hold sov tokens… but neutral in choice as I am not either staked (locked) nor do I have by nature be locked in this project… I am a neutral FRIEND of this project. You cannot win by treating the community by monkeys. Yago now has to break his ego fully in order for me to resolve this matter with him. Not because I am the one important, but I don’t want his ego in future to fuck up and prevent further progress: He has to come like a little bitch with his tail up his ass, apologise SINCERELY and profusely. Give the community ALL THE POWER over my sip… withold from voting… in other words… he has to not say the words, but truly REALIZE Sovryn is the community project. It’s nice to sweet talk to you: “you decide” when in reality you don’t decide shit. He asks you for opinions on things he wants to feel out, but when it comes to stuff that matters, like tokenomics, you realize how powerless you are because SIP, voting, change, and the MAJOR (most) voting power is in Yago’s and the insider’s hands.