Today's AMA and the Transition

I am not particularly satisfied with our last AMA. I think it was rushed and probably did not sufficiently answer anyone’s questions in sufficient depth.

Practically speaking, the questions we are dealing with cannot be dealt with by a community in sufficient depth. They are questions of strategy and execution, and they are the kind of thing that successful organizations have executive teams spend all their time doing.

Sovryn is going through a transition period. We basically need to leave the Chain we are on, much of business model needs to change and there are massive new opportunities as well as risks we need to navigate.

The community, the team, myself, everyone wants clarity on our future direction and right now no one is truly empowered to make those decisions. This was sorta ok and we muddled through when we were executing the Blackpaper plan. But we are now entering new, open and exciting waters.

Most truly decentralized projects either fail or ossify. Because decision by committee does not work.

I think we need a CEO. I think that what needs to be decentralized is the platform and the stakeholders, not the decisions on execution. And just to be clear - I am not interested in the job but I am willing to work to try find the right person. I think we should have a SIP about it.

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Personally, I think you would make a good CEO and your attempt to not be labeled a CEO and be a thought leader instead has actually been counter intuitive to the project and its success. Also, you could orchestrate your BOS narrative to align with your Sovryn narrative, and vice versa, creating synergy and success between both projects.

You have good ideas and a great vision, but due to Bitocracy trying to be fully decentralized and having no leader, we have no decisions. If you had been “the decisive leader” we would probably be in a different place right now. Not that I blame you for it, I understand and admire the reason why you chose that position.

Again, I understand your position, respect and understand it.

We do need someone who will make decisions on the future, and orchestrate the team to execute them goals. You have been a hybrid, defacto version of this thus far, and your basically the reason I ever invested in sovryn.

Someone who will say “This is what we are doing” and stick to them goals, like some of the more successful crypto projects like STX is indeed something sovryn has been yearning for.

Its a pitty to see you dont want the position, as you would be good at it, and im certain “(Decisive) Yago” would be far more positive for Sovryn than “(This is what I think) Yago”. Which I assume is your point, and why you think we need an official leader.

so you drain all of SOVs value by crashing the BOB LP pools you set up, to get enough funding to spin up BOS and you now leave us all in the dust while proceeding to frontman BOS.

You do realize we not going to let you off the hook this easily? you literally scammed the whole community and now you capitulate & run to your other project that WE funded & helped create.

I truly hope for your wellbeing SOV is getting 10% liquid BOS tokens because this is not good karma.

Unless we get someone like John Light or Michael Parenti or Rivers that were already in the project, I do not agree that anyone from the outside should come to take the position of a “CEO”.
the runaway money is short plus having to PAY for a “CEO” role? what? the person to take that position should be someone fully staked with expectation to make sovryn succeed or his stake won’t also …
Yago, please no one here is stupid, you won’t exit that easy just before sovryn closes the doors and that weight would fall on that new CEO shoulders (who wouldn’t really care since he would get paid to do the damage control while the ship sinks to bottom).

These are very bold accusations. From my perspective, they not only have no basis but are also harmful to Sovryn as a whole. ‘Bad karma’ - indeed - created by these kinds of statements and theories. If I’m missing something, please let me know so everyone can better understand your concerns. It’s easy to throw around words like this without any proof. Kinda a low blow.

And after all that, following up with that statement feels a bit out of place, though.

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we are in the middle of the bull run.
no new product was built during the bear, while around 70 btc was spent from treasury.
the token price is worth nothing, the revenue is nothing, nothing new, old products not fully functioning. no future launch in BitcoinOS, the only product that was being built until January/February was BitcoinOS and that got spinedOFF.
we won’t launch anything on bitcoinOS because of competition? what? so we SOVRYN are sacrificing our investment and products of this last 4 years because of competition? because bitcoinOS partners would feel we would have an advantage? of course fucking yes we should have. I’m not even talking about the sovryn layer (which is lost revenue from transaction fees to stakers), we are LOSING EVERYTHING SO BITCOINOS CAN SUCCEED with it’s partners.
the worst case scenario from this last CC should be something like this: “we tell rootstock to go fuck themselves, we are start forking today our products to an EVM chain that already agreed to go to BOS, if BOB taking to long to decide to join or not BOS? then fuck them too”.
instead no! we the stakers are the ones getting fucked without lube one more time.

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you claim its theories that i need to prove, i say anyone with life experience and has dealt with scammers before can easily understand what has happened here (literaly most of SOV community understand what has happened, its a few team members holding a different view & claiming its conspiracies).
let me attatch the dots that i claim is proof for you since you ask for it.

  1. BOS is announced officially on community calls in January to be built by SOV, in depth explanation & has whole community incl all team members believing its SOVRYN building it.

(this is misleading users to believe BOS is coming next months so people buy & stake with that in mind)

  1. The next months we ride the hype, people lock SOV in promises of “being the first to benefit of a BOS launch” and liquidity pools are created for BOB.

(now we are told we probably wont be first on BOS, so anyone that locked SOV in Q1 is essentially tricked)

  1. “Bad wording” has 90% of users fooled to deposit into LP pools unknowingly its being paired with SOV, a staggering 6 million dollars worth, paired with additional 6 million SOV.

(this is manufactured exit liquidity, literally having millions of dollars liquid at the exact time SOV is at its highest price in years, with the above mentioned promises & products said to be launched for Q2-Q3)

  1. Next someone is dumping millions of SOV and prices dumps 90% we are later told (once price is already ruined) that BOS is a seperate entity unrelated with SOV.

(so ur saying its a coincidence that this was revealed only after someone emptied 12M dollars worth of liquidity pools, theres a lot of coincidences here)

  1. BOS has enough money to fix professional marketing teams, travel around the globe on conferences, maintaining top devs & appearing everywhere on twitter spaces etc & attracting big players in crypto like Cardano & others , all of this is made with, i quote “personal funds” just months after this BOB LP situation has occurred

(just coincidentally again, right?)

And yes, i do believe karma will be real for anyone that play around with peoples money for years & pivoting into 2024 in the most gruesome way possible to then abruptly call quits and want to hire a new CEO because the lies is being seen through at a greater level than previously. Much easier just enjoying his salaries and future in BOS community right.

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This is complete fiction with no relation to reality.

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One thing that’s becoming increasingly clear is that the reason why Bitcoin works as a decentralized technology is because it has a special mission of not achieving anything. It’s an anti-mission, it’s like the eye of the hurricane, it adapts only to remain the same as everything around it changes. It’s a fulcrum.

These types of fulcrum-like missions are very rare in economics, usually tech companies are meant to innovate as fast as possible. This means that things have to happen blazingly fast. If you look at companies like Tesla, the shareholder meetings are largely theatrics. There’s a board of directors which basically advises shareholders how to vote, and the shareholders, because they believe in the directors, will overwhelmingly just follow the lead the directors give them. This means that even though shareholders can in practice vote and influence outcomes, they don’t want to go against the core leadership, because they trust the core contributors, who are “in the details” to know what needs to be done better, and rightly so.

Unfortunately if I am right, this means that the decentralized tech meme is dead and we need a hard pivot. Many people will be irked by this. “You promised us DeFi, you claimed you had no CEO and now you want to go centralized and get a CEO, wtf man?”

It’s a pickle, no doubt about it. The intellectually honest thing is to explain that our assumptions were incorrect. That while our idea was noble, reality rejected it. And yes it does look like a scam, but you gotta ask yourself, what’s the alternative? Double down on a concept even though no one knows how to make it work just for the sake of it? This is the woke thing where you can never move on from being wrong and you commit to being wrong and to endlessly victimize the victimizers.

We all gotta make our own minds in regards to whether @yago is honest or not. If you believe he’s a scammer, then sell. If you believe he’s honest then let go of the old concept and support Sovryn’s pivot.

Personally I am leaning towards more integration, more centralization, less tokens, less committees and more focus for things that need to innovate fast. A lot of things need to be garbage collected. Sovryn is a jumbled mess of protocols, tokens and projects. It’s like a company where everyone’s kinda doing something on their own, but not really.
I am fine with decentralization and stagnation in regards to layers that are soil-like - you use them as a fulcrum, but don’t really need to change them much.

As for where the CEO should come from. This is important. Typically external CEOs have almost always been a mistake in corporate history. This is because they don’t get the culture, they don’t get the product, they are not necessarily a culture fit and all they want to do is apply their short-term thinking and MBA-ize a project. There are countless examples of great projects becoming glorified consulting companies when something like this happens. And conversely almost all great CEOs have come from the inside. Particularly people who have grown through the ranks, have understood the product and have demonstrated an affinity to it, and have earned the right and the privilege to call the shots.

Unfortunately Sovryn’s in a bit of tough spot because as far as I can tell it hasn’t really started yet so there are no people who’ve climbed the ladder that can be called to action in this manner. My understanding is that Yago is the founder of Sovryn (correct me if I am wrong) and the fact that he’s saying that he’s not interested is definitely a red flag. This means that he basically no longer believes in the project. It’s well known in the Silicon Valley that the best VC funds prefer founder-led companies. It’s also well known that the #1 reason for the failure of a company is people. One of the worst red flags is when the founders don’t know each other very well (e.g. “We met at a Bitcoin conference last week and thought this would be cool.”). That’s terrible - these people don’t know each other, they don’t know each other’s weaknesses or strengths, they are operating purely on hype and they are most likely going to fall apart at the first sign of trouble. VCs like stories like “we met in college 10 years ago, we’ve been best friends ever since, both of us really like Star Trek, we started one company that failed, and now we are building together this new company. We have the same values, but we have different strengths and that makes us complementary to each other.” These guys know each other, have proven to be resilient and compatible and will handle difficulties together.

This is why I think @yago has to step up and can’t simply say he’s not interested. He should be interested if he’s still interested in Sovryn, if not the intellectually honest thing is to say he no longer believes in the mission and he’s abandoning his own project. But that’s very problematic because he did convince Sovryn to use our funds to build his next project.

@yago the ball’s in your court.

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fiction? is it fiction

-showcasing BOS as a SOV product in community call 60. (you should go re-listen to yourself)

-that people locked up SOV to gain osSOV rewards & being promised “being the first to reap rewards of BOS once it launches”

-lots of people (100s atleasr) not aware of LP converting assets to SOV

-SOV creating the forever top into all of these events, then you sail to the sunshines of BOS & their success while SOV bleeds beyond irrelevance into despair in middle of the bullmarket, and now, you want to step away. disgrace

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I’ll vote for you, you are not gonna get out that easy.

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If we’ve learned one thing, it’s this: alignment is more important than agreement.

Startups succeed by rallying around a leader with vision, not by trying to satisfy everyone. Yago has shown the willingness to take risks and adapt, even in the face of failure. Those failures aren’t incompetence - they’re earned lessons from bold action. “The biggest mistake is to not make any mistakes at all.”

IMO, The SIP is a straightforward vote to elect Yago as leader. If he’s elected, it gives him the mandate to lead Sovryn decisively, with the authority to make hard calls. A benevolent dictator, chosen by the community, can execute with focus while staying true to the mission. If the community agrees, there’s no doubt to credibility. Outsiders are irrelevant.

For Sovryn to restart effectively, it must re-normalize around a core of contributors with conviction and skin in the game. Those without trust in the direction should exit - this clarity is essential for momentum and growth.

If Yago takes the lead, I’m offering strategic support for free, if needed. The time to act is now. Conviction wins; alignment drives us forward. Let’s move.

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I mostly agree with you, but if Yago is occupied with BOS, how will he effectively manage Sovryn?

Msny times the appearance of a situation completely obscures the reality.

Especially when those who can provide clarity refuse to do so either our of commitment or convenience…

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Crystal clear, thanks a lot for your assessment and suggested ways forward here. It certainly helps!

It’s very typical for CEOs to have to manage multiple business lines. Their goal is not to micromanage but to be “in the details” by solving the problems their engineers can’t solve, and making sure work never stops flowing. They use frameworks like Theory of Constraints and High Output Management. They check deliverables weekly and remove people who consistently don’t deliver. When bottlenecks appear, they tackle them immediately.

For this to work clarity, simplicity and clear reporting are key.

Which is why I want our systems to need fewer tokens, not more.

The most common mistake smart people make is optimizing things that should be deleted.

In manufacturing, step one is making requirements less dumb, step two is deleting parts or processes. Complex systems break at scale - we know this will happen, we just don’t know exactly how. I see the proliferation of tokens as entropy creeping in. I want companies building on BOS to each have their own token we can list on Sovryn - giving us a unique collection of real economy tokens no other DEX has. But I don’t want our DEX to need 24 tokens under the hood just to work. I think @yago needs to embrace “best part is no part” and strip away these complexities until people can understand the system again.

In my opinion, one of our biggest mistakes was trying to guarantee liquidity through complexity rather than through demand and velocity. DLLR is a perfect example - a stablecoin based on two other stablecoins. Maybe we couldn’t avoid this on Rootstock, I’m not sure. Maybe nothing meaningful was possible there. However, the cognitive dissonance from having to choose which of our tokens to hold was excruciating. We all want to align behind a single token.

For me Zero felt deeply misleading. You hear “0% interest” and think “wow, free loans” until you discover we just moved costs from APY to APR through origination fees. People think the system is so unreliable it needs huge overcollateralization just to “take loans from yourself.”

I don’t mean to beat a dead horse, everyone knows these issues. My point is our products should be understandable NOT because they copy what exists on 10 other chains, but because they have clear value propositions tied to real-world problems. Look at Tesla - they made headlines by saying: “We’re building the giant new AI training supercomputer at Tesla HQ in Austin to solve real-world AI problems.” This is what we need to do - where others are debating how to build meta-oracles and bridge L7 layers on ETH that don’t do anything, we need to be the first platform for the real economy.

What are our real-world solutions? (just ideas)

  1. Private bitcoin transactions (simple - Sovryn takes commission per transaction)
  2. Tokenized corporate treasuries and first real economy DEX with Bitcoin-based index funds
  3. Clear, transparent loans with straightforward APR
  4. DLLR directly backed by bitcoin
  5. Bitcoin smoothcoin outperforming USD
  6. Bitcoin banking accounts and loans for AI agents

Each needs to solve one problem well, with a clear purpose. And all of these have to somehow tie into the main token, just like all of Tesla’s initiatives - Cars, Robots, Solar, Batteries, Lithium Refinement - all tie into the same shares. Shareholders can see the synergy; they know that success on any front makes them richer. This confusion about whether to hold SOV or BOS or MYNT or FISH or BABEL shouldn’t exist if they’re all part of the same platform. It’s fine if they’re completely different things like SpaceX, Tesla and Neuralink, but it’s not okay if it’s all the same company and no one has any clue what’s happening.

This is what would personally inspire me to continue investing in Sovryn. The bringing cardano and solana to Bitcoin does nothing for me personally and sounds like trying to forward-engineer the past, rather than thinking from first principles and understanding real problems humans have.

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Thank you for that thoughtful response - I totally underwrite every single point you raise (and I learned a little too thank you for that!). It really encapsulates what I am thinking. Clear value proposition. Easy to understand products AND (I would like to add) easy to use products.

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Addressing our UI/UX challenges, we should explore pioneering an AI-driven chain approach. Managing traditional widgets is costly and inefficient. Instead, we could develop a headless backend integrated with an LLM-powered frontend, enabling users to interact with the chain conversationally and generate temporary or persistent UI widgets on demand.

Example:

"Create a widget to swap SOV for USDT" → Save as a reusable widget.
"What's the Nakamoto score of the SOV token?" → Response: 430.

This could significantly reduce the burden of building and maintaining complex widgets. While the feasibility depends on current AI capabilities, the trend towards dynamic, user-generated UIs via LLMs aligns with decentralization principles. If viable, this innovation could position us as leaders in this paradigm shift.

Cheers.

In practice, even Elon has multiple different companies for different businesses. I think conglomerates work poorly and tend to represent suboptimal empire building.

I think this is accentuated in crypto. Generally, conglomerates can make sense when there is the opportunity to leverage shared distribution channels or economies of scale. Crypto is much more frictionless and so these considerations carry less weight.